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I like traffic circles for their efficiency and speed, but there's one near here that I avoid because I don't know how to drive in it. This circle has 5 roads radiating from it, meaning it's a crossroads with one additional road.
Two of them are 4 lane roads, 2 lanes in either direction. 3 are 2 lane roads with one in either direction. Thus, there are 14 lanes entering or exiting the circle. What I don't understand is who has the right of way. People in the left lane of the 4 lane roads wind up on the inner lane of the circle. If they stay on their road by exiting the circle, they have to cross the outer lane of the circle.
People entering on a 2 lane road wind up on the outer lane of the circle, and to stay on their road by staying on the circle, they have to cross the innermost of the 4-lane traffic exiting the circle. There are short white stripes all over the place. For all I can tell, a tape truck exploded at the center. I can't read their intent, especially when trying to deal with the traffic too.
Of the people in these two categories, who has the right of way? It seems like somebody has to yield even though they are not entering anything.
My understanding of traffic circles is that the only yielding happens on entering. I got something wrong, here - which is it? when they need to get out of the junction, they merge into the outer lane, then exit supposed to move inside when you enter and then back outside to leave But I don't think this is what the designers intended you to do. The roads that enter as two lanes going in the same direction also exit that way.
That is, there is an inner lane exiting and an outer lane exiting. Who'd ever use the inner or left lanes on the exiting branch, according to the above rules? I grew up in Towson, and never really thought of this as a circle, just a really awful intersection. Well, yeah!!! I mean, that's why you left, isn't it?
See what I mean, everybody? But I don't think this is what the designers intended you to do.
The roads that enter as two lanes going in the same direction also exit that way. That is, there is an inner lane exiting and an outer lane exiting. Who'd ever use the inner or left lanes on the exiting branch, according to the above rules? OK, this is an exception. What I'd hope would be that there's signage on the two-lane approach to show this is the case. This is certainly what you'd get in Britain - something similar to (but not like) this ((remove the left column, and make the straight-on arrow into a straight-on-or-right one).
Plus arrows on the lanes themselves showing the same thing. In Alberta: 1) Cars entering the circle must yield to cars already in the circle. 2) You have to yield to the car on your left. This means the car on the inside has the right of way to exit across the outer lane.
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3) Stay in the same lane when entering, moving around the circle and exiting. 4) If you are making an immediate right turn (one quarter of the circle), do it from the right lane.
It is.recommended. that one half and three-quarters are done from the left lane.
In Alberta there are plenty of accidents in traffic circles because the above laws are ignored most of the time. Seriously, I think this is the dumb way of doing it. I was driving in New England a few years ago, and it seemed to me that if you were stuck in the middle you stayed there until you could find a way out and that was more intuitive.
Edmonton had a city planner come over from the U.K. Many years ago and he arrange to have about a dozen circles built. Over time, they have been relentlessly converted to standard intersections because of the number of accidents. There are about four left.
Gotta mind the traffic circle. I got pulled over by the MSU police on one of their little traffic circles because as we were arriving side by side, he paused longer at the yield sign, and I continued going into my traffic circle lane. He said I should have yielded right of way to him (since he arrived first), and that the traffic circle wasn't really two lanes! He didn't ticket me, mostly because he felt I wouldn't have done anything so flagrant right next to him if I'd known better.
Of course cops don't know everything, and I still insist he's wrong to this day. Oops - I think I misremembered how many roads there are. Now it looks like 16 lanes entering or leaving. I drive through that traffic circle almost every day, and I've never found it intimidating.
Yield to traffic already in the circle, first of all. I tend to stay to the right, unless I'm going nearly all the way around it. There are a couple lanes that are right-turn only, but not all the way through it. If you are heading north on York Road and want to continue on York or go to Dulaney Valley Road, you have to move over to the middle, because the right-hand lane becomes a turn lane for east-bound Joppa Road, but IIRC, that's the only lane anomaly. It's much better than what used to be there. A horrible mess of lights and stop signs that NO ONE could figure out.
Getting a red light meant waiting forever. The only traffic circle I can think of that has an inner and an outer componant is Dupont Circle in DC, but that has 9 roads coming into it. Went through DuPont circle last week, I wasn't driving but if I was I think I'd come out at some random street somewhat close to what I intended. I lived near a small traffic circle in the small town of Gordonsville VA. Five roads came into it, one with a stop sign. The circle was a single lane, but still greatly confused many out of towners, you heard screeching tires just about every day. But when you knew what you were doing, traffic flowed very smoothly.
2) You have to yield to the car on your left. This means the car on the inside has the right of way to exit across the outer lane. Ah, this is a specific rule that would work in the circle I describe. I wonder if it's the rule here too. I drive through that traffic circle almost every day, and I've never found it intimidating. Well, I guess many people manage it all the time.
My hat's off to you, though, because it sure throws me. I try to avoid it - and I have probably only gone through it 5 times in the 20 years I've known of it, anyway.
Oops - I think I misremembered how many roads there are. Now it looks like 16 lanes entering or leaving.Here's a better close-up photo of it, from MS Live Search (Much better and clearer than Google Maps, in my opinion. Plus, you can see the same spot from any of 4 directions. Here's a better close-up photo of it, from MS Live Search (Much better and clearer than Google Maps, in my opinion. Plus, you can see the same spot from any of 4 directions. Now that I see it, I'm not sure about the OP. Seems like a rather simple traffic circle.
It looks like they've even painted lines to make it simple to negotiate, and it vaguely represents a modern roundabout. The most important thing on large traffic circles is to make sure you get into the correct lane before you enter it. This one looks fairly striaghtforward, you join at some point, and if you are in the right lane on entering the circle, you stay there but you must take the next exit off - that is shown by the paint markings. If you wish to go further around than the next turn off, then you join the circle in the left lane, and go around, and move over to the outside lane only when you have passed the exit previous to the one you wish to leave. You must use your indicators to show you are changing lanes. There should be no one on the outside of you as you switch to the outside lane, because traffic should either be waiting at the previous entry for you to pass, or any traffic thaat is outside you, should leave the circle at the exit previous to the one you wish to leave. This is assuming everyone understands the system.
You should try out some of the horrors over here in the UK, there is no way you can drive aggressively, and you really do need to plan your route around, we have three lane circles, and then there are one or two legendary ones which have circles on each of the entry roads too. Take a look at this - Armley Gyratory At the lower right edge you can make it out, this has umpteen lanes coming and going on it, and is notorious. I'm with Balthisar and casdave, that those images make it clear that being in the correct lane to start with is all that is necessary. I don't see the fuss about Amrley - it just looks like a large inadequate motorway junction (e.g. South Mimms). What you needed was the Hanger Lane Gyratory (obviously! Plus, Swindon doesn't have the monopoly on magic roundabouts: Colchester (has a pretty good one, too.
Long Beach, CA. First advice: traffic circles are not for the faint of heart.
If you have any doubts, find a way around. Longer, but cheaper than follow-up therapy. Next, as said above, traffic on the circle has right-of-way. Slow down, even stop if you must, to wait for an opening. (This from a Californian, so you know it's not said lightly.) Thirdly - this is a dream, not an experience - use your turn signals. If you can get through the traumatic experience in one piece, you've done as well as can be hoped: good job.
I wanted to correct some misinformation here about navigating roundabouts. I'm from New England, the home of the 'rotary,' which is basically just the New England word for roundabout. Yes, there are technical differences, but the general rules are the same.
Yield to left. Traffic entering should yield to ALL lanes in the rotary, and should never pull in alongside a car in the inside lane. Traffic in the outside lane of the rotary should yield to traffic on the inside lane signalling to exit. The outside lane is for going halfway around or less (straight ahead or right, if the island weren't there).
Anything beyond that (going left) and you should use the inside lane(s). The inside lane(s) may be allowed to exit along-side the outside lane at the 12 o'clock exit, if the lane configurations will allow for it.
It creates no conflicts if everyone chose their lane correctly ahead of time. A picture is worth a thousand words, so check out this graphic that shows how you should use the lanes as a general rule. Those are the general rules - the rules you follow if there are no signs or markings dictating otherwise. Obviously signs and markings take priority over the general rule. A note on lane usage: you shouldn't do any lane changes on entering the circle. If you need the inside lane, turn directly into it, don't turn into the right-hand lane and then make a potentially unsafe lane change to the left.
Signalling is also a good idea. You should put on your right blinker as you pass the exit prior to the one you want. For example: If you're taking the second exit, put your blinker on as you pass the first. If you're taking the first exit, put your blinker on as you approach the rotary.
If you need to change lanes to exit, use the same procedure as you would for any lane change. All of these rules, but the number one unwritten rule of the rotary is this, don't expect any other drivers to follow them. They're not covered all that well in drivers ed courses, and many people just point their nose where they want to go and gun it, paying no attention to yield signs or lane-usage rules. The traffic circle linked to by the OP is not confusing.
Check out this monstrosity (near where I live. If you include the western approach road, it actually spans three counties (I'm not making this up). When I was taking driving lessons nearly 20 years ago, it didn't have the small dotted lane markings. I'm not sure whether they make things easier or harder.
The traffic circle linked to by the OP is not confusing. Check out this monstrosity (near where I live. If you include the western approach road, it actually spans three counties (I'm not making this up).
When I was taking driving lessons nearly 20 years ago, it didn't have the small dotted lane markings. I'm not sure whether they make things easier or harder. I was so sure that was going to link to the Swindon 'Magic Roundabout.' That would be too obvious. The Magic Roundabout isn't even that complicated.
I had a feeling that was going to be the response.:) I'm sure it's not complicated and perfectly logical after you get a few passes through it, but it sure looks like a total mindbender. For those that don't know, it's a giant roundabout (with five roundabouts nested within it.
The inner roundabouts go clockwise, while the outer roundabout (in which they are all nested) goes counter-clockwise. It actually does make sense when you look at it and think about it, but it looks completely insane. It's always described that way but in fact the outer roundabout in as much as it exists at all can be driven in both directions - I don't really understand what people are getting at. Look at the lane diagram (You can either go round the outer roundabout clockwise, by taking the first exit off the mini-roundabout you join at, or you can go round the inner roundabout anticlockwise, by taking the second exit. You can just think of it as 5 separate roundabouts connected by ordinary two-lane roads.
Like the one in High Wycombe (but more compact. The outside lane is for going halfway around or less (straight ahead or right, if the island weren't there). Anything beyond that (going left) and you should use the inside lane(s). The inside lane(s) may be allowed to exit along-side the outside lane at the 12 o'clock exit, if the lane configurations will allow for it. It creates no conflicts if everyone chose their lane correctly ahead of time.
But this is susceptible to the rather huge problem that it requires everybody to know, before entering the circle, how far around the circle their intended path departs. What if a conceptually 'straight' path-continuing on the same-named artery-actually constitutes a net left-veer? All of these rules, but the number one unwritten rule of the rotary is this, don't expect any other drivers to follow them.
So-what's the point? What if I'm following directions, or just looking, based on landmarks rather than road names? There will be a sign like this ((or maybe this (if youre in America) on the approach to the roundabout. If you know you want Town A or Road X then you can see from the diagram (a) which exit it is, and (b) where on the roundabout it is located. If you're following directions they will say something like 'take the third exit at the roundabout'. So it's not hard to choose the correct lane. At a normal intersection, you don't suddenly veer off to take a turning without warning, do you?
So it's reasonable to assume you know which way you're heading. No one sane is going to give you directions that require noticing a McDonalds half-way through a traffic circle. That was a real-life example, and in real life, in fact, it worked perfectly-just as well as it would have with conventional intersections-because in that area, AFAICT, nobody was following anything resembling CoastalMaineiac's rules.
Both lanes in the circle were continuous, if you wanted them to be; you could go around and around without being required or prohibited from any exit based on your point of entry. A right-turner from the left (inner, in the US) lane of the circle certainly would not expect traffic established in the right (outer) lane to yield to him, as K364 said. The traffic circle linked to by the OP is not confusing. Check out this monstrosity (near where I live.
If you include the western approach road, it actually spans three counties (I'm not making this up). When I was taking driving lessons nearly 20 years ago, it didn't have the small dotted lane markings. I'm not sure whether they make things easier or harder. This (is probably the nearest roundabout to my house and the one I go round most often. No, they haven't repainted the lane markings lately. There are twenty lanes coming on or off, you just can't see them!
That was a real-life example, and in real life, in fact, it worked perfectly-just as well as it would have with conventional intersections-because in that area, AFAICT, nobody was following anything resembling CoastalMaineiac's rules. Both lanes in the circle were continuous, if you wanted them to be; you could go around and around without being required or prohibited from any exit based on your point of entry. A right-turner from the left (inner, in the US) lane of the circle certainly would not expect traffic established in the right (outer) lane to yield to him, as K364 said. You can go round and round all you want as long as you do so from the inside lane.
A general rule of thumb I follow if I'm not sure of which exit I want is to take the inside lane. If it turns out that my exit was less than halfway around, then I just do an extra lap and get off. Really not that difficult of a situation. One thing about a rotary, it's no big deal if you miss your turn; you'll come up on it again quickly enough. The right-hand lane does not have a right to continue around the rotary indefinitely, preventing people from exiting the inside lanes.
There's a two-lane rotary in Augusta that used to be striped the way you described, people still drove it like the diagram I linked showed. Multi-lane circle + multi-lane exits = multiple lanes exiting side by side.
In that situation, proper lane discipline is rather important. Yield to left. Traffic entering should yield to ALL lanes in the rotary, and should never pull in alongside a car in the inside lane.
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Traffic in the outside lane of the rotary should yield to traffic on the inside lane signalling to exit.As I said above when K364 said a similar thing, this is counter-intuitive. When I'm using a freeway on-ramp, there's no rule to never pull alongside a car in the left lane. When I'm driving down a regular road in the right lane, I don't have to yield to the person in the left lane who wants to make a right turn across my lane. Do you have a cite for these two rules? In the image you linked to, it looks all nice and orderly, but if you rotate the blue path 90 degrees CCW, so the car is coming from the right, its path crosses the red path, which is a recipe for accidents. In the OP's case., this sort of path never happens. We have some multi-lane traffic circles near me, and they all also seem to be set up so that these crossing paths don't occur.
Either the right lane must exit, or the inner lane can't, or both. The circles near me were all made in the last 5 or so years, so maybe designs have progressed to where they avoid setting up these crossings. Was it like this five years ago, Napier, or have they restriped it since your OP? As I said above when K364 said a similar thing, this is counter-intuitive. When I'm using a freeway on-ramp, there's no rule to never pull alongside a car in the left lane. When I'm driving down a regular road in the right lane, I don't have to yield to the person in the left lane who wants to make a right turn across my lane. Do you have a cite for these two rules?
In the image you linked to, it looks all nice and orderly, but if you rotate the blue path 90 degrees CCW, so the car is coming from the right, its path crosses the red path, which is a recipe for accidents. In the OP's case., this sort of path never happens. We have some multi-lane traffic circles near me, and they all also seem to be set up so that these crossing paths don't occur.
Either the right lane must exit, or the inner lane can't, or both. The circles near me were all made in the last 5 or so years, so maybe designs have progressed to where they avoid setting up these crossings. Was it like this five years ago, Napier, or have they restriped it since your OP? Traffic circles or rotary intersections. The operator of a vehicle: A.
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Entering and passing around a rotary or traffic circle may drive only to the right of the rotary or traffic circle and shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle on the operator's left; That's the specific statute here. This concept is not limited to Maine either. Traffic circles 40 Unless otherwise directed by a traffic control device, a person driving a vehicle that is travelling in a traffic circle shall yield the right of way to any other vehicle that is in the circle and that is travelling to the left of that person’s vehicle. In terms of the path crossing example you gave, the paths don't necessarily cross. If they both went at the same time, they'd be out of each other's way the whole time.
If there's a conflict, the one who is entering is supposed to yield to all traffic already in the circle (well, those close enough to cause a conflict), regardless of which lane they're in.